how much is 1 defense? - Guild Wars Forums

LifeInfusion · Aug 26, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Since there is such a HUGE price gap between 4 and 5 defense, what is the actual decrease in damage coming from that 1 Armor Level?

Aracos79 · Aug 26, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

The short answer? Not enough to justify the massive price difference between the two.

The long answer? I don't know. You'd have to ask someone with more knowledge of GW's combat equations than I have.

ZennZero · Aug 26, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

I have heard +5 equates to between 8 and 9 percent damage reduction... So, assuming a linear damage curve, +1 is under 2%. As Aracos said, not a whole heck of a lot if you are short on cash.

Ensign · Aug 26, 2005, 01:25 AM // 01:25

There's a huge price gap? Most +5 defense mods can be bought for around 5k last I checked.

+5 armor is 8.3% damage reduction. +4 armor is 6.7% damage reduction. Difference is 1.6% damage.

I'd personally just use a +4 armor mod until you can find or afford a +5 one - people usually throw +4s away, and a lot of +5s hit the trash bin as well, so you can usually get them cheaply if you ask consistently.

Peace,
-CxE

Tactical-Dillusions · Aug 26, 2005, 01:25 AM // 01:25

So receive damage -3 for example would be around a 6% reduction in damage?

EDIT (If i may add a small question without hijacking)

What is the difference between a defense mod and a vs physical mod?
VS elemental is self explanatory but i'm never sure whether to use a defense or a physical.

LifeInfusion · Aug 26, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39

fireball at level 12 fire magic (the shadow elementalists use it)

Damage: 89
Damage (Critical): 126

Armor +4
Damage: 83
Damage (Critical): 117

Armor +5
Damage: 82
Damage (Critical): 115

assuming 60 AL armor (which all nonwarrior/rangers use)

So its one damage according to http://www.rpgstars.com/characters/d...w_dmg_calc.php

+4 armor : Target takes 87.71 damage.
+5 armor : Target takes 86.2 damage.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/calculators/guru_armor.php

The odd thing I find, is that it reduces more damage with higher Armor Level.

for a warrior wearing platemail:
RPGstars: Damage: 58, Damage (Critical): 82
Guru: Target takes 60.95 damage.

+4 armor:
RPGstars: Damage: 54, Damage (Critical): 76
Guru: Target takes 56.87 damage

+5 armor:
RPGStars: Damage: 53, Damage (Critical): 75
Guru: Target takes 55.89 damage

Interesting... I see it has more impact on the critical damage than on the regular hit damage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

There's a huge price gap? Most +5 defense mods can be bought for around 5k last I checked.

+5 armor is 8.3% damage reduction. +4 armor is 6.7% damage reduction. Difference is 1.6% damage.
Peace,
-CxE

Hi Ensign!

Thanks for the info. But +5 armor sword/axe pommels cost like 10-15K, since there is so much demand while the +4's are usually under 1K.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

So receive damage -3 for example would be around a 6% reduction in damage?
What is the difference between a defense mod and a vs physical mod?

Um, the -3 is after applying armor, so it doesn't have a %, it is a flat out number. Defense mod is defense v. physical AND elemental.

aB- · Aug 26, 2005, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

But +5 armor sword/axe pommels cost like 10-15K, since there is so much demand while the +4's are usually under 1K.

The demand is for +30 HP upgrades, as they have a more noticable effect than an armor upgrade which can easily be debated to be a stronger or equal in upgrade.

LifeInfusion · Aug 26, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

I'm not getting a +30HP upgrade for any of my characters since it is pointless. That is what self heals are for, no?

GranDeWun · Aug 26, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

The simple answer (and true, as well):
A difference of 1 in Armor Level reduces damage by 1.72 percent
A difference of 5 in Armor Level reduces damage by 8.30 percent
A difference of 40 in Armor Level reduces damage by 50.00 percent
Formula is: 1 - 2^(-AL/40)

Aug 26, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49	#1
LifeInfusion Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: in the midline Profession: E/Mo	how much is 1 defense? Since there is such a HUGE price gap between 4 and 5 defense, what is the actual decrease in damage coming from that 1 Armor Level?

Aug 26, 2005, 01:25 AM // 01:25	#4
Ensign Just Plain Fluffy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkeley, CA Guild: Idiot Savants	There's a huge price gap? Most +5 defense mods can be bought for around 5k last I checked. +5 armor is 8.3% damage reduction. +4 armor is 6.7% damage reduction. Difference is 1.6% damage. I'd personally just use a +4 armor mod until you can find or afford a +5 one - people usually throw +4s away, and a lot of +5s hit the trash bin as well, so you can usually get them cheaply if you ask consistently. Peace, -CxE __________________ Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

Aug 26, 2005, 01:25 AM // 01:25	#5
Tactical-Dillusions Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grimsby, UK Profession: R/	So receive damage -3 for example would be around a 6% reduction in damage? EDIT (If i may add a small question without hijacking) What is the difference between a defense mod and a vs physical mod? VS elemental is self explanatory but i'm never sure whether to use a defense or a physical. Last edited by Tactical-Dillusions; Aug 26, 2005 at 01:27 AM // 01:27..

Aug 26, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53	#2
Aracos79 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Great Southwest Guild: Shadowstorm Mercenaries Profession: E/	The short answer? Not enough to justify the massive price difference between the two. The long answer? I don't know. You'd have to ask someone with more knowledge of GW's combat equations than I have.

Aug 26, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20	#3
ZennZero Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: R/	I have heard +5 equates to between 8 and 9 percent damage reduction... So, assuming a linear damage curve, +1 is under 2%. As Aracos said, not a whole heck of a lot if you are short on cash.

Aug 26, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18	#8
LifeInfusion Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: in the midline Profession: E/Mo	I'm not getting a +30HP upgrade for any of my characters since it is pointless. That is what self heals are for, no?

Aug 26, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21	#9
GranDeWun Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	The simple answer (and true, as well): A difference of 1 in Armor Level reduces damage by 1.72 percent A difference of 5 in Armor Level reduces damage by 8.30 percent A difference of 40 in Armor Level reduces damage by 50.00 percent Formula is: 1 - 2^(-AL/40)